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RON MOSS RETURNS TO THE ROAD WITH PLAYER – “Baby Come Back” – Objective Tempo=77.5 bpm – Calibrations, Videos, Concetpual Tempo Charts

May 15, 2009 Ian A Schneider Comments off
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BABY COME BACK - Player, 77.5 bpm

BABY COME BACK - Player, 77.5 bpm

Player, Baby Come Back, The Speed of Bittersweetness EmbodiedRonn Moss, the star of the television program The Bold & The Beautiful, is the leader of the band formed in 1976 called Player.

Ronn, an American, was almost voted “Australian of the Year” in 2006. This year, anything goes. As Ronn said recently, “Even if I was, as you suggest, the ‘Odds on favorite’ or ‘The man for whom the Award can only be lost’ here in ’07, that doesn’t mean that Ronn Moss is any closer to being Australian of the Year 2007. Not one step, pal. You know, things in life do not always come as planned. Did I think I would ever be the only human alive to have a number one it single in the United States, the most recognized face in world television history, now that the show on which I star, The Bold and the Beautiful, with that of a Jack Wagner and Susan Flannery backing me up as co-stars – the *number one drama television show in the world* – is that wild, or what? – AND be so completely anonymous in England that I walk down the street and people look at me, like, who the hell are you? Do you have any idea of the freedom? It’s just a life of a blessed man.”

I would have had no idea: Moss and Player astounds. Looking at the song’s speed, going into areas of grace, bittersweetness and loneliness, one sees a band confused. The song’s message is odd, poorly written and confusing if not internally contradictory – sometimes within a sentence. The band’s fame is simply beyond our staff.

Like all songs, though, love some and love some less, we used our standard of highest care – one that James C.C. Manning will apply to a 1970s one-hit wonder song or a soothing ballad by that of a Don “Donald” Henley, or any Eagle for that matter.

Meanspeed-Forrester-Spencer summary
title=”Baby, Come Back”
performer=Player
rhythm=4/4, commonly known as “common time”
beats measured=2,790
time elapsed=36 minutes, 00.0 seconds
average time per trial=4 minutes, 0.0 seconds
average number of beats per trial=310
average beat=0.774 seconds
mean speed=77.5 beats per minute
mean emotion according to meanspeed music theory=bittersweetness
mean slow phase=1.29 cycles per second
corresponding pitch=330.67 hertz

/Ian Andrew Schneider/

May 15, 2009

Baby Come Back is a song by the late 1970s group Player. The song was their biggest single, hitting #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1978. It was the breakthrough single for the band, gaining them mainstream success, and the only #1 hit of their career. The song is notable for its infectious riffs, and its instantly memorable hook of “Baby Come Back” during the chorus.

This hook was sampled nearly 30 years later by Vanessa Hudgens in her 2006 single “Come Back to Me”.

The song appears in the episode Homer Alone of The Simpsons. When Homer calls the lost baby hotline to report that Maggie is missing, he gets put on hold to the tune of “Baby Come Back”.

This song was also used in the 2007 Transformers film, in a scene where Bumblebee purposely stalled to a nice romantic location so that the protagonist of the movie could have some time with the girl. When the girl was about to leave, Bumblebee eventually restarted and this song played.

One band member to find future fame is musician/actor Ronn Moss of CBS’s daytime soap opera The Bold & The Beautiful.

The Bold and the Beautiful (often called Bold or annotated to B&B) is an American television soap opera, created by Lee Phillip Bell and William J. Bell. The show debuted on March 23, 1987, and still screens in the United States on the CBS network, and has a very strong worldwide audience. The show’s 5,000th episode aired on February 16, 2007.

The show has a number of unique characteristics that set it apart from other American soaps.

  • The show has the largest foreign audience of all the American soaps  ; It is well known in Italy, where it airs under the title Beautiful, and in the Francophone world, where it airs under the titles Top models and Amour, gloire & beauté. It also has a huge fan base in Australia.
  • It is the only American soap opera to simulcast in a Spanish language track for Hispanic viewers in the United States (under the title Belleza y poder).
  • This is also the only soap of the eight programs currently airing on US television that runs for 30 minutes (the other shows run for an hour). The show reaches around 450 million viewers daily [citation needed] being the number one drama series in the world.

HEART OF THE MATTER – Don Henley’s 20th Century Pop Classic is an Archetype Renewal Song with its programmed 88.1 bpm speedn

August 4, 2008 Ian A Schneider Comments off

One of the most well-known songs of renewal in the late 20th Century was the song HEART OF THE MATTER by former Eagles lead singer and drummer Mr. Donald "Don" Henley. tempo graphics © 2008. Meanspeed Music Company. Use By Permission. Heart of the Matter is recorded on top of a drum machine which is playing at almost exactly 88 beats per minute. The meanspeed music conjecture has asserted that songs in the tempo range of 85-89 beats per minute have a strong tendency to emote renewal, forgiveness and homecoming. Such patterns are vividly seen on the tempo graphs I have synthesized and presented here with the the drama of the actors
John McCook (1987-present)
and Jennifer Gareis (2006-present) , making the point for me better than I write and FAR better than I photograph! In renewing their lives on the world's most popular television drama, CBS's THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL, Donna and Eric got down to the heart of the matter and then got in bed legally as man and wife. The issue in the story line is that Eric's heart is 65-70 years old and Donna's is 35-40 years old, a possible cause of Eric's heart giving out after a Viagra-induced sex marathon. He still lays in fictional real time in that same Los Angeles hospital at which thank-God-at-least-she's-still-alive Elizabeth Taylor always visits people. No, there is nothing funny about a man in a coma. Not even when that coma is inspired by the rabidly creative yet macho character Eric Forrester. However, this most interesting couple is fictional. I feature musical examples in tempo maps, graphs, abstract visuals: whatever group you are in call the same [meanspeed graphs] different names. A "graph" implies an pictoral aspect whereas a "chart" does not necessarily connote a 'visual'. A chart can be Text Only - a graph implies a picture. Another example in which The Bold and the Beautiful was used on graphs to show the tempo line of an archetypal song of lust was for the late Robert Palmer's ADDICTED TO LOVE, a pure song of lust written by Palmer in a dream. In that song, Eric's then wife Stephanie Forrester, played by the actress Stephanie Douglas Forrester (Susan Flannery), is forgiving and accepts that her rugged yet creative husband must move on with a new woman, her care turns to her family in general as she emotes graceful forgiveness - she can only accept that the lust between these characters played Gareis and McCook are smoldering in bed with the heat of the passion of Forrester Creations, the fictional Ralph Lauren in the B & B and the utility of Viagra®, a pill made by Pfizer®. For you TiVo and DVR users out there, though I know you would want to watch the commercials religiously every day, CBS's drama is only 1/2 hour and is the only television program to be broadcast (not filmed) live by satellite throughout the world in general. No, my data base does not have amongst its song very many from Brazil, but, you do what you can, and this show is popular in Brazil, it is popular in Ireland! In trying to explain the meanspeed ideas, that certain tempo ranges imply corresponding emotive characteristics where predictive elements can be quite high, using internationally known fictional characters is more useful than talking about my in-laws. In the meanspeed scale, the range of range 77-78 beats per minute strongly implies 'bittersweetness'. √60 x 10, or 'the square root of 60 seconds *divided* by ten' is equivalent numerically, with the decimal place moved over to the right 2 places, to the amount of time of each beat - i.e., while 75 beats per minute requires 800 milliseconds in between beats and is highly predictive of songs of grace and poise, songs at 80 beats per minute require only 750 milliseconds per beat and are highly predictive of loneliness and discontent. 77.5 eats per minute ironically requires 774 milliseconds per beat. This the *mean* speed, that which is numerically identical as both speed and space is not intuitive. The only speed where the numbers do not move are 77.45966692414834... beats per minute which requires exactly .7745966692414834... seconds per beat. The emotions which I translate by music tempo are universal and thus I try to translate the language and culture barrier. I am a trained lawyer, though, not a trained international music pop music research person and cannot conduct experiments around the world using 15,000 songs in German, 15,000 in French and so on. I leave that for someone else! Insofar as at least the half of you reading this who are not American, though most of you speak English, I believe it is sometimes best to comprehend, understand or feel the emotive qualities I call mean-emotions using a dramatic analogies, here, the international language of love of music, love of sex, and love of television (not necessarily in that order)! I believe that with most "process X in the brain is controlled by a timing pathway" and "the fMRI showed that people had quicker healing time in the hospital with the use of music" studies lack the narrow but essential area I study: the ACTUAL SPEED of such 'relaxing music'. What is relaxing music to me is not for *you* - which in turn is not for the next person and so on. The 10s of thousands of studies that promote 'soft relaxing music' do not tell you th etempo of their music, and even when they do, a study sample of 10 rather than 10 thousand is used, and while the experiments are closed, deductive and valid, they remain largely useless. In order to actually USE any such "music is a healer" study we need to establish that my speed is not your speed, which the German scientists essentially provided the groundwork for in the late 1800s. In the meanspeed conjecture we look to specificity. It is one thing for Professor X to assert that "anesthesia was reduced by 25 % when soft, relaxing music was played during the operation" and another assertion that "when songs chosen by the patient which had *tempi of under 76 beats per minute* reduced anesthesia by 25 %" or "song at every speed which the patient *herself *considered relaxing reduced anesthesia by 25 %" or "anesthesia was reduced by 25 % when music considered by the *surgeon* was played during the operation" and so on. If there is one thing we can all agree on it is that music taste is as varied as people's faces. My relaxing is getting my mind to slow down to about 37 beats per minute using a metronome and a song in my head I have, in my aural imagination, literally brought down to that speed. That is, when I am nervous and want to calm myself. Ian Bush, one of the first people who ever asked me about improving his sports performance by setting a mental tempo did it - in California - and went on to set new records. When everyone else was nervously chattering before the race, he would go into the corner and play 2 Genesis/Phil Collins songs, both between 92-97 bpm, I believe they were "In The Air Tonight" and "Dodo/Lurker." In fact. "In The Air Tonight" was used by Jimmy Johnson as a psyche song when he was a football coach, and Ray Lewis used it for decades as a football player. Putting speed into words is violently difficult. I discovered this pattern TWENTY years ago to the week and when I stumbled on it I thought it was an established fact that I had discovered backwards. So said, I knew if it was undiscovered I would spend up to my last breath trying to explain the benefits of autochronicity - controlling one's own mental speed. The term "autochronicity" was coined by Dr. Lawrence Silverman and until Dr. Silverman agreed with my findings I had no graphics of any kind, which was 8 years after I discovered the patterns in the first place. The great doctor bought me Excel 5.0, and I still use that program to synthesize the graphs for Meanspeed Music Education in general. A message to the "he's doing this to sell the graphics" critics: I saw the meanspeed conjecture with my eyes on a legal pad with has a page for each major metronome click, as per back in the Analogue days: 44, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 63, 66, 69, 72, 76, 80, 84, 88, 92, 96, 100, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 152, 160 [and the rest of the 'standards' ], and after calibrating approximately 300 songs crudely matching a red light on a Seiko metronome. I was a 25 year old law student who was trying to make some sense of practicing piano in my down time from reading Supreme Court cases.

October 7, 2008

"The Heart of the Matter" - After the debate: Meanspeed Music still calls for an OBAMA/McCain, old school style - "Signed, Sealed, Delivered"

The original psyche song of Barack Obama was Stevie Wonder's Sign Sealed Delivered. The original manner of picking the president and the vice-president was: top voter gets top slot, 2nd place gets vice-president. The men running have plenty of mutual ground, respect. and, most importantly more competence than either of their well qualified vice-presidential choices. Meanspeed-Carlton Summary song title="Signed, Sealed Delivered I'm Yours" Album=Stevie Wonder: The Definitive Collection Intellectual Property=Motown Records, Copyright 2002 Kind=Protected AAC audio file Size=2.6 MB Meanspeed-Carlton Summary song title="Heart Of The Matter" performer=Don Henley mean speed/objective tempo=88.1 beats per minute average beat=681 milliseconds mean emotion according to the meanspeed music conjecture=Renewal /Ian Andrew Schneider/ NJ, US

Eric Forrester, as Robert Palmer (1949-2003) “had to face it” – Donna Logan is “Addicted To Love” – Speed of Lust on the Bold and the Beautiful

March 5, 2008 Ian A Schneider 1 comment

Here, where as we say at Meanspeed Music that the tempo is to the song as the weather report is to the news – here’s a song that flies on the power of the temporal sequence 110 beats per minute. Palmer’s first grunt at that speed bring back the very lustful songs at that speed. A sample from our own lists at meanspeed.com – the proof is in the reality of the correlation of that which is emoted and the speed of the sequencing of the beats. Sound too simple to be true? It IS true. Internet “spoofing” is old and feeble – these facts are true, the speeds are true and most useful is, yes, Virginia, you can program your mind with speed – TEMPORALLY, not with illegal chemicals.
Meanspeed Music has been commented on in ways that range from “talented/uncanny/[most high praise]” to a “deluded stupid moron idea.” Those are conclusory statements. Truly, there are so many of you are secret about this theory it is hard to tell how many use it . I mean composers, D.J.’s, engineers, audiophiles, musicologists who are paid in a way that pretending that this theory doesn’t work that it has been difficult to break through the bullshit. There are still so many music “professors” conducting useless, tiny deductive experiments on this same issue, and the issue ought to be known as solved. The people eating from charging your kids $31.50 for 11 pages of academeze [word?] “we found nothing, but tempo is important, so please understand that another experiment needs to be done, and *we* need to do it. It is getting embarrassing. It is one thing to be obsolete – at least you were right at some point. later on, my scale will be improved on, and the original will be obsolete – but I hope no more than Beaufort. Conversely, many of the professors, collecting parts of $40,000 per year tuitions are conducting experiments which are irrelevant – these people know it, and they are so skilled at speaking in circles that they hide like rats. I could name names, but I have done that before and I realized that was not fair. I looked up “tempo” and a song name. Mine was #56 out of 37,500. The first 55 sites were illegal – “free” downloads and “free” lyrics. Shamelessness has a new name: the invisible cyber-voice collecting money illegally, hacking the sites of others. The modern pervert know that if the ideas offered by meanspeed works in hospitals, the jails, workplaces, EVERYDAY PEOPLE’S iPODS, music composition and music instruction and that they will have to move on.
Point is, I have been slammed for being everything from a “loser with too much time on his hands” to a “deranged guy trying to be bought out by a large company on some theory”. As they say on THE MAURY SHOW – whatever. The thing you ought to know: in over 15,000 posted speeds, for all the “so what’s so important about speed” comments, for all the “who the heck cares about BPM, you loser” comments:
a) not a SINGLE part of ANY calibration, nor any calibrated meanspeed has ever been shown to be wrong. The speeds are calibrated here in Princeton in a meticulous manner, the calibrations are checked by our staff after unprecedented methods of averaging nine trials _ CONTIGUOUSLY_ per song. To find out how it is done – as you, if you are a reasonable person must be able to repeat the results. If you could not, and we were wrong – well, there are going to be mistakes, and your feedback is more desired than I can describe. So said, we are not wrong, and if you get your head together by tempo, you will increasingly be able to control your mind. And what do I want from you? Nothing. Not your name, email address, AIM address – NOTHING. No money, no accolades, not even “ok, it’s pretty cool.” I want you to check out how – with the music that is already on your whatever-pod and whatever MP3 player, for free, without telling me some “username” or password – complete wastes of time, because there is no playing “keep out” or “upgrade now” or “buy more space” or “donate money to keep this project going” gimmicks. We do not need them or want them. Our entire staff gas one goal: reduction of the stress of daily life, especially that which is driven by the noise pollution in your head as a result of the fact that you cannot buy a pack of tube socks at TARGET without hearing 10 “songs” all aimed at;
a) TRYING TO MANIPULATE YOUR MOOD SO THAT YOU SPEND MORE MONEY; and
b) Convincing you that you CANNOT be manipulated MUZAK or Wal-Mart-zak. Such stores *want* you to think that they can literally brainwash or mind-control you into buying more. Fact: that is garbage. The REAL advertiser’s noise polluting game there is to make you wonder about how you are being manipulated. And the joke is on you! You *cannot be manipulated* by Hall & Oates muzak at Wal-mart into buying that extra pack of AA batteries. You needed them anyway.
The only one that can manipulate your mind speed and mental frame and mood is YOU – the best thing you can do for yourself is know the speeds of those songs you like and rather than waking to a horrific song on Lite-FM radio in the morning, landing your head in Olivia-Newton-John-Newton’s “Hopelessly Devoted To You” land for the day. UNLESS (!!!!!!!!!!) that is where you *want* to be all day (I personally am a fan of Newton-John-Newton’s ‘Magic’ – she’s ok. But the week that my wife was blasting the less-than-Beethoven “Hey There Delilah” at 6 am, making it the first thing I heard upon waking (not pretty is a kind way to put it), I checked the speed – 100 beats per minute, approximately (you might search this page for the exact line of advance), I went with RED RAIN by Peter Gabriel followed by LOUISIANA BAYOU live from Bristow, Virginia and played both songs twice each. A day where without the knowledge freely given:
a) I would have been suffering with Tom “I swear I’m not a stalker” Higgenson’s “”OOOOOOOOOOh/ it’s what you do to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH! What you do to me!” stuck as a potential earworm for the entire day;
b) I would have kept obsessing – is it the whining voice that is annoying, the 2nd grade guitar playing, the stalker pretending to be the stalkee that is bothering me so much?? What is it about this is so ruining my day?
Instead, it was a can’t miss day.
I know- if something sounds too good to be true (no money, no information and you get free math psychology) it usually is. Then again, there is work on your part – you need to familiarize yourself with the FREE tempos, get used to it. It may not be your thing at all – a “cure” that heals all is no cure at all.
This post is some fun and some serious work we put into the meaning of the speed of lust (pieces of music around the speed 106-113 beats per minute). Still doubt that there is possibility in the reality of mean speed theory? Try speeding the song up to 120 BPM, or slow it down to 84! Actually, when you get so adept at applying the ideas you can do this in your head, and the fun is amazing – you will find that you are controlling your thoughts, controlling your interactions with people insofar as when they speak too fast for you can s-l-o-w it down – the possibilities are truly limitless and at 45 I’ll probably die before the best uses are found for this completely bizarre and absolutely true theory.
WARNING: if you don’t want the “mystery” of the speed ruined, or how speed affects a song the way in which the weather affects a day (not at all, yet completely – sort of like what you dress in – or not- today).
James is yelling at me: “I told you to lay off the free-thinking articles, dude. Do you want to be taken seriously or not?” James is a practical one, which is why he supervises and vouches for the numbers. He will not accept more of a salary than food when he is working: “This is a REVOLUTION in the way in which we think about time and timing,” remarks James, “I would *pay* to do this!”
Also, as far as this post, we at meanspeed music again thank the writers, producers directors and actors at CBS daytime, especially at The Bold and the Beautiful and The Young and the Restless. Now that TiVO has killed (thank God!) television commercials for “prime-time drama” – there *is no more prime time drama*. Night-time has turned all reality – from American Idol to Dancing with Heather Mills to America’s Next [person with 14 minutes of fame] – and my favorite: baseball. I am the only Mets fan in all of New Jersey south of the Lincoln Tunnel – come on folks, get those Google Maps out! The people here in Princeton are so above-New York Philadelphia fans that my orange and blue blood is unusual here. Hey, I admit it – of I’d grown up here I’d be a Philadelphia fan, too – just based on the power of the meanitude and booing of the fans!
A MEANSPEED MUSIC THEORY TEMPO ANALYSIS- Addicted to love + 112 beats per minute=The Forrester Fiasco!
The life he knows is making clothes, love and more love for his friends, family and most importantly for the beatific excellence of the world: character Eric Forrester, played by John “Eyebrows” McCook.The life she knows is as the runt of the litter of the Bold and The Beautiful’s Logan family – always the sexy bridesmaid, sometimes she sleeps with the groom, but never as the bride: character Donna Logan, played by Jennifer Gareis, born and raised in New York and indeed a former MISS NEW YORK.Just who is Eric Forrester?

Since 1987, he has played the role of Eric Forrester on The Bold and the Beautiful. From 1975 to 1980, he portrayed the character of Lance Prentiss on The Young and the Restless. In addition, he has appeared as a guest in episodes on dozens of primetime series. B&B co-star Winsor Harmon once starred with McCook on an episode of Acapulco H.E.A.T. filmed in Mexico.[1] Harmon told Soap Opera Digest about their guest stint onH.E.A.T.:

“I hung out with John McCook the whole time and I kept watching all these people from other countries asking for his autograph. I’m thinking to myself, ‘Who the hell is this guy?’ So one night, we were drinking Coronas and I asked him why he had so many fans and he explained how B&B was so popular around the world. I had no idea. The more he talked about it, the more I was thinking, ‘I want to be on that show.’… The first time I drove into the parking lot, there was John, just pointing at me and laughing. He asked what I was doing here and I told him that I was Thorne. That’s when he told me that he was going to be playing my dad. That was just too wild.”[2]

All about Eric – from the world’s best encyclopedia, the People’s Free Encyclopedia, wikipedia.org -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_ForresterEric Forrester, Sr. is a fictional character on CBS soap opera The Bold and the Beautiful. Eric has been played by John McCook since the show’s beginning in 1987. He made brief guest appearances on The Young and the Restless in 2005.

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[edit] Character

Eric and his on-and-off wife Stephanie (Susan Flannery) are co-founders of the Los Angeles-based fashion house Forrester Creations. They have three living children:Kristen (Tracy Lindsey Melchior), Thorne (Winsor Harmon), and Felicia (Lesli Kay). Stephanie initially hid the truth from Eric about a fourth child, Angela, being alive. Angela was born microcephalic and remained comatose. She was kept a secret to spare Eric the pain who believed she had died at birth. At some point in time, Angela had died due to her condition, and the woman they knew as “Angela”–con artist Deveny Dixon–and Angela’s doctor were soon exposed for extorting money from Stephanie for Angela’s care. It was revealed in 2001 that Ridge (Ronn Moss), who Eric believed to be his son, was fathered by Massimo Marone. Eric also has two children, Rick (Kyle Lowder) and Bridget (Ashley Jones), from his first marriage to Brooke Logan (Katherine Kelly Lang). He has a brother named John who was never seen on the show, but John’s ex-wife Maggie (Barbara Crampton) and their daughter Jessica (Maitland Ward) formerly lived in L.A.Eric is largely devoted to his family. While Stephanie makes a mark on the family by meddling in her children’s lives, Eric takes a calm, comforting approach. However, Eric has been known to sink to acts of crime to protect his family: in 2001, Eric deliberately attempted to run down Deacon Sharpe (Sean Kanan) on the road after learning of his engagement to Bridget (then played by Jennifer Finnigan). Years later, he shot Deacon after finding Bridget in his bed. He is also guilty of, for over forty years, hiding Stephanie’s trust document, which named her as sole owner of Forrester creations. Upon learning of her husband’s deception, Stephanie took over the company, but soon re-hired Eric as head designer.

[edit] His Love/Hate relationship with Stephanie

Eric’s love/hate relationship with his wife, Stephanie, is also a major part of the storyline. Eric and Stephanie have been through two divorces and have split many times over the years, but always seem to come back together. As well as Stephanie and Brooke, Eric has also been married to Sheila Carter (Kimberlin Brown), and had brief flings with Lauren Fenmore (Tracey E. Bregman), and Jackie Marone (Lesley-Anne Down). He also become somewhat smitten with Stephanie’s sister, Pamela Douglas(Alley Mills), when she helped take care of the mansion when Stephanie was visiting their mother, Ann (Betty White).He has also taken a flirtatious interest in Donna Logan (Jennifer Gareis) after discovering that Stephanie had been somewhat responsible for the rape of Donna’s sister, Brooke. This was the last straw as he told Donna, Brooke and Katie, that their family will not be harassed by Stephanie again, which could presume that he is planning to once again, divorce Stephanie. Eric, with Donna’s help, is trying to get Forrester Creations back once again, Nick offers the company to Eric once again, on the condition that he divorces Stephanie; a condition that Eric agreed with and accepted, so he will retain his company once again, and in the end divorces Stephanie.

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[edit] Stephanie Douglas

No matter what happens, no matter what affair Eric has, he and Stephanie always end up together. They first met in college, Eric was with Beth Logan, Stephanie fell pregnant and Eric left Beth and married Stephanie in 1958, little did he and even Stephanie know that the baby She was carrying was really the child of Massimo Marone and not Eric. Stephanie gave birth to Ridge and later more: Kristen, Thorne, Felicia and Angela (all Eric’s children). In 1988, Eric asked Stephanie to grant him a divorce as he wanted to be with Beth Logan, Stephanie reluctantly agreed but hired an old friend to hire Stephen Logan for a job in Paris, which separated Eric and Beth with him remaining with Stephanie. Eric suspected Stephanie of cheating on him as she always made visits, Stephanie was forced to tell Eric that their daughter Angela did not really die in childbirth but was microcephalic, she said she didn’t tell Eric as she didn’t want him to suffer.In 1990, Eric, who had been consoling a heart broken Brooke after Ridge left her, fell in love with Brooke and engaged in an affair with her, when Stephanie finally discovered, she refused Eric a divorce. However Stephanie finally allowed it after Eric Forrester Jr. was born. Eric and Stephanie grew closer when she lost her memory due to a stroke but even when she regained it she still pretended she had lost it, but Eric still remained with Brooke. Massimo Marone returned and tried to have his way with Stephanie (who by this time had remarried Eric) but when Ridge had an accident and needed blood, Eric was not a match, Stephanie now knew that Massimo was the biological father of Ridge, leaving Eric devastated, Stephanie and Eric later reunited after Taylor’s “death”. After Stephanie faked her heart attack, Eric divorced her in favor of Brooke Forrester but Stephanie then found documents in the safe that gave her complete control over all of Forrester creations. Stephanie discovered that Eric knew all along and fired him from Forrester Creations, but later re hired him, giving him an office in the basement. Felicia returned and informed her parents that the cancer had returned, she asked for Stephanie and Eric to marry, they agreed they would and would divorce after her death but they stayed together and now Eric is disgusted in Stephanie for her part in Brooke’s rape, but now she is trying to make amends and Eric has even got Forrester Creations back but has been having an affair with Donna Logan, he is torn between the two but is being pushed towards Donna due to Stephanie’s actions.Eric and Stephanie have quite a lot of grand children: Thomas Forrester (Ridge & Taylor), Steffy Forrester (Ridge & Taylor), Phoebe Forrester (Ridge & Taylor), R.J. Forrester (Ridge & Brooke), Alexandria Forrester (Thorne & Darla), Dominick Damiano “Dino” (Felicia & Dante).

[edit] Affair with Brooke Logan

After Caroline and Ridge got together, Brooke Logan was left heart broken, so her mother Beth Logan asked Eric to look after her which he did happily. One time, Thorne discovered of Stephanie’s meddling in the past and discovered that she had offered Stephan Logan a job in Paris to divert Beth (Eric’s first love) away from Eric, Eric was disgusted by Stephanie’s behavior. Eric tired of his wife’s controlling antics and then turned to Brooke for support, during a dinner date, they poured their feelings out for each other and shared a passionate kiss, Eric went back home where he told Stephanie that he wanted a divorce. Eric and Brooke later ended up in bed together at Big Bear, Thorne eventually discovered the affair and told Stephanie. Brooke eventually found out that she was pregnant, with Eric’s child but was heart broken when she heard that he was going to make another go at his marriage with Stephanie. Eric soon learned that Brooke had left for Paris and was thinking about having an abortion as she was pregnant, he got there just in time to stop the operation and their love was stronger than ever, with Eric soon proposing and Brooke accepting. Stephanie agreed to the divorce, soon after Brooke gave birth to Eric Forrester Jr. Ridge tried to tempt Brooke to go back to him but her love for Eric was too strong and she and Eric soon married. Stephanie later suffered a stroke and lost her memory for a while and pretended she still did to have Eric all to herself, Brooke became frustrated and neglected by Eric and ended up sleeping with Ridge on the lab floor and told Eric that she was in love with Ridge. Eric told her that if she stayed with him for two months than he would give her a divorce, (as he thought Ridge would tire of waiting) Eric saved baby Eric’s life and Ridge didn’t want to break up their family unit, but soon after Eric and his younger wife divorced.There was more confusion later when Brooke fell pregnant again, and the paternity of the child was uncertain as Brooke had slept with Eric, was it Eric? Or Ridge? A DNA test was taken, however scheming Sheila Carter (Eric’s lover) switched Eric’s blood with Ridge’s blood and the results showed that Ridge was the father but it was later realized that Eric was the father of baby Bridget.In 2005, after divorcing Stephanie, Eric returned to his true love, Brooke Forrester. Eric and Brooke were keen to marry and married very soon after his divorce in one way to stop Bridget from thinking that Brooke would go with Nick, together, Eric and Brooke became the CEO’s of FC, Eric and Brooke fired Stephanie, then Stephanie discovered the trust and Eric and Brooke were fired by Stephanie but then re-hired as designers and given a basement office, they schemed to strip Stephanie of FC but failed, soon after Eric and Brooke decided on a speedy divorce.

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Sheila got to Eric when he was at his weakest, his emotions were flying about after he lost the true woman he loved, Sheila realized how damaged Eric’s marriage to Brooke was when she baby sitted for Eric Jr. Sheila lusted away after Eric and finally got her man when Eric finally gave in whilst in his vulnerable state but Eric was determined to stay married to Brooke as there was a chance of a reconcile if Brooke’s child was his. Sheila couldn’t risk Brooke taking Eric back and so switched Eric’s blood with Ridge’s in the DNA test, the results showed Ridge was the Father and Eric was left at his lowest as Brooke was not willing to make another go of things and so he proposed to Sheila and she accepted. With Eric’s family disliking her and Lauren Fenmore coming to LA to reveal Sheila’s criminal past, things weren’t so easy and she even had a nightmare where Lauren exposed her for what she really was. However she did marry Eric and became Mrs. Sheila Forrester. Later Eric wanted a divorce and admitted to Sheila that he was still in love with Brooke, Eric later presented her with a divorce petition, chucked her out of the house and fired her. Lauren told Eric of Sheila’s crooked past in Genoa City, Sheila arranged for a meeting at the Forrester mansion, with Stephanie, Eric, Ridge, Brooke, Lauren and James and held them at gun point, she tried to shoot Stephanie but after failing swallows poison. Sheila survives and is admitted to an institution for the criminally insane where Eric finally got her to sign to divorce papers.

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Lauren Fenmore and Eric started having a relationship when she moved to LA, however Lauren felt guilty as Stephanie and Eric planned to re marry so Lauren, out of guilt ended their relationship. However Sally Spectra discovered the fling and then slipped a picture of Lauren and Eric in bed together in the bible at the wedding after the wedding was called off, Lauren and Eric then flew back to LA but the plane crashed on the way and they were taken in by a crazy maniac called Rush, he was eventually killed, then Lauren and Eric returned to LA but their fling soon died out.

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Eric started to cheat on Stephanie when he learned that she was behind the rape of his ex-wife Brooke Logan, Eric felt partially responsible for Stephanie’s part in the rape,Donna Logan (the ex-fiancée of his son, Thorne) assured Eric that it wasn’t his fault, and they soon became close. Donna stayed at the Forrester mansion one night and swam in the pool naked, after a long discussion, she and Eric kissed passionately, Eric later shed some thought for his marriage and asked Donna to leave, when Eric later went to bed, he found Donna next to him, and they slept together. Donna later encouraged Eric to go to Nick and try to get his company back from Nick, when she accompanied him to Forrester Creations, Nick agreed to sell back the company to him if he divorced Stephanie, Eric was reluctant, but Donna convinced him to sign the papers and reminded him of Stephanie’s bad treatment of him and how he could start afresh. Donna and Eric were later caught in the act by Thorne who fumed at Donna, Eric was still adamant that he was staying with Donna. Stephanie has since returned and has shown her remorse for her actions, but Eric is torn between who he loves, his wife or his mistress. After Stephanie said sorry to Brooke, she went to Forrester Creations and talked to Eric about their marriage, she realized that his new suit and new hair style meant that Eric was having an affair. Eric claimed that his lover made him feel great and useful, Stephanie suspected Jackie Marone who had constantly tried to steal Eric away, but then Donna stepped into the room to inform Eric about his catalog, Stephanie asked her to leave, but Eric asked her to stay and took her into his arms, Stephanie soon realized who the secret mistress was. Despite Stephanie’s brazen attempts to sabotage his relationship, (she is aided and abetted in this by Thorne and Felicia) Eric means to make it work with Donna. Stephanie convinced Thorne and Felicia to lock Donna, wearing the showstopper gown, in a steam room at Forrester. Despite the worn look, Donna still had Eric’s support; and comforted her after Jake Maclaine, who was now working at Forrester, rescued her. Moments later, Stephanie was shot. Just who is Donna Logan? Again, we turn to the ‘Pedia -

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Donna Logan
JGareisDonna.jpgJennifer Gareis as Donna Logan (2008)
The Bold and the Beautiful
Portrayed by Carrie Mitchum(1987 – 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2001)Jennifer Gareis(2006 – )
First appearance Episode 1March 23, 1987
Created by William J. Bell
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Gender Female
Date of birth 1969
Occupation Model at Forrester Creations
Residence The Logan Mansion200 N. Beston PlaceLos Angeles, California

Donna Logan is a fictional character on CBS soap opera The Bold and the Beautiful. The character was played by Carrie Mitchum on a contract basis from 1987 to 1991 and made guest appearances in 1994, 1995, 1996 and 2001. As of July 20, 2006, the character has been played by Jennifer Gareis on contract status.

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Donna was concerned about her younger sister Katie (then played by Nancy Sloan, now Heather Tom), who had low self esteem due to excessive acne, and convinced Donna’s classmate, Rocco Carner (Bryan Genesse), to date her. Rocco was attracted to Donna, but she was already involved with Mark Mallory (Michael Phillip) and was residing with him. When Donna realized Mark wasn’t right for her, she kicked him out of her life, but she and Rocco were never able to make a go of their relationship. Donna was hired to model for Tommy Bayland (Tim Choate), who referred her to agent Nick Preston, who convinced Donna to pose nude for a magazine in Europe. Bill Spencer saw the photos and published them in a US magazine, leading Donna to join forces with Nick and Rocco to take nude pictures of Bill to publish in his own magazines. Donna eventually confessed to what she did to Bill and asked Bill to transfer her father Stephen (Robert Pine), who worked for Bill’s company, back to Los Angeles from Paris, but Stephanie Forrester(Susan Flannery) opposed that idea. After a failed relationship with Thorne Forrester(then played by Jeff Trachta), Donna left Los Angeles for San Francisco, and returned for special occasions.Donna returned to LA in 2006, and immediately began trying to persuade her sister Brooke (Katherine Kelly Lang) (who had now married Nick, played by Jack Wagner) to take Ridge (Ronn Moss) back, reminding her of how long she had fought to keep him. When Donna was unsuccessful in convincing her sister to return to Ridge, she went after him herself. This eventually failed, when she realized that Brooke and Ridge would always be connected.She allied herself with Nick, especially after witnessing an argument between Stephanie and Nick’s mother, Jackie (Lesley-Anne Down) which ended with her going over the balcony and into the hospital in a coma. In fact, Donna was the one who told Nick that his mother’s injuries were no accident, thus leading to Nick ordering Stephanie to give up Forrester Creations or go to jail. She worked with Nick who had appointed her his new head model and face of the company.Donna is also allying with Jackie to convince forbidden lovers Rick (Kyle Lowder) and Phoebe (MacKenzie Mauzy) to continue to see each other, knowing that the union could potentially drive a wedge between Ridge and Brooke, driving Brooke back to Nick.One night, Donna, after thinking that Brooke had arrived home, left for the airport, unknowingly leaving her nephew and niece, R.J. and Hope, all alone in the house, prompting Stephanie to call Child Protective Services, who eventually took the children away from Brooke and placed them temporarily in Ridge’s custody. Donna swore revenge on Stephanie, and began to see Thorne Forrester (Winsor Harmon). She seemed to love Thorne, but she saw her relationship with him as a way to get even with Stephanie for all the abuse inflicted on the Logan family over the years. However, recently returned Katie, overheard Donna tell Jackie the real reason why she was marrying Thorne, mainly to get revenge on Stephanie. Katie told Thorne the truth, and that caused him to stop the wedding and furiously broke off the engagement. Donna is furious with Katie now, and has disowned her as a sister. Donna has since begun an affair with Eric Forrester. With her help and encouragement, Eric persuaded Nick to sell his company back; Nick agreed, but on the condition that Eric divorce Stephanie, a condition to which Eric agreed. Donna’s relationship with Eric has earned her the wrath of not just Eric’s family (son Thorne and daughter Felicia in particular), but also Jackie Marone, whom she sees as competition for Eric’s affections, which has caused friction in their friendship, and also her sister Katie.Eric, after a lot of thought, had chosen Donna over Stephanie, mainly due to her part in Brooke’s rape; but also because he truly loved her. During Forrester’s first fashion since Eric returned to the head of the fashion house, she was slated to wear the showstopper gown, but Felicia and Thorne, egged on by their mother, locked her in the steam room at Forrester, allowing Stephanie to steal the moment in the sun. Jake Maclaine, who had recently returned to Forrester, heard her cries and rescued her, then her family comforted her, as they awaited to confront Stephanie for her treacherous actions. Moments later, Stephanie was shot by an unknown assailant.

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